WAR veterans and Zanu PF militants have intensified attacks against MDC-T supporters in the rural areas following the party’s disengagement from dealing with Zanu PF ministers in the inclusive government, the party has said.
The MDC-T said Zanu PF militias were holding political meetings where they branded MDC-T supporters “enemies of the state” who must be crushed because they had severed links with government.
The main faction of the MDC recently “disengaged” from Zanu PF in the inclusive government citing reluctance by President Robert Mugabe to address outstanding issues in their power-sharing agreement.
MDC-T secretary for social welfare Kerry Kay expressed concern over the new wave of attacks against the party’s activists and supporters.
She said Zanu PF has “re-activated” its terror squads and camps in the rural areas, blamed for murder, rape, plunder and general violence in last June’s election.
“What they are doing is shocking,” Kay said. “They are attacking our supporters on the basis that we withdrew from the unity government, which is not true. I fear this could degenerate into chaos to the levels of last year.”
She said at least two MDC-T councillors’ homes were last week burnt down in Chaona in Mashonaland Central and Uzumba in Mashonaland East.
Several MDC-T supporters have since fled from their homes following threats by state security agents, war veterans and the youth militia.
“We have information that Zanu PF militia met at Chaona Secondary School this week where they announced that those who support the MDC will not be beaten this time but will be shot,” Kay said.
In the Chaona area of Chiweshe communal lands several MDC supporters were killed last year, homesteads were razed while property and livestock were looted by suspected Zanu PF supporters.
The Progressive Teachers’ Union of Zimbabwe (PTUZ) said several teachers have since fled their schools after threats on their lives.
PTUZ secretary general, Raymond Majongwe said youths were visiting schools taking down names of teachers suspected to be sympathetic to the MDC-T.
In Buhera’s Ward 27 in Manicaland province, Majongwe said, teachers were harassed after attending a meeting addressed by Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai recently.
Reports say that Zanu PF has reopened a training camp a few kilometers from Nyamapanda in Mashonaland East province where it is recruiting youths.
Fearing for the worst, the MDC-T has written to the Minister of Youth Development, Indigenisation and Empowerment Savior Kasukuwere of Zanu PF expressing concern about the re-opening of the camps.
In a letter dated October 12, Kay said Zanu PF youths and state security agents were threatening villagers “with a bullet in the head”.
“The information coming from the people in the rural areas is that Zanu PF youths, with in some cases army details, are threatening the people ‘if you thought beating on the buttocks was bad last year, it will be a bullet in the head this year’,” Kay said.
The letter was copied to Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and other government officials.
Kasukuwere said he has forwarded the letter to the Joint Monitoring and Implementation Committee (JOMIC) because it was wrongly addressed to him.
The minister who denied that Zanu PF youths were spearheading violence in the rural areas, said training programmes for youths were “non-partisan and in compliance with the GPA”.
Kasukuwere said the establishment of youth training was agreed upon under Article 15 of the GPA.
However, that article, among other issues, states that “while recognizing that youths undergoing training at national training centres have a right to hold political opinions, they should not, during their period of training, collectively and as part of a scheme of the training be used or deployed for partisan political work”. Standard
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written by Mweni Tafara, November 01, 2009
Ryton I dont think the gun is the solution. Why? look at DRC Congo, Angola, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi, Kenya and Liberia. What makes you so confident that ZANU PF will be defeated by MDC + ZAPU?
Angola only realised after a good fraction of the population had shuttered legs for reason of war and landmines that they chose to negotiate with their heads and not with their AKs. Rwanda and Burundu never negotiated but hundreds of thousands died, not 20,000 nor a smaller number. Liberia and Mozambique negotiated too late.
I thought I have heard you speak of your love of ZAPU, have you ever heard of the Great Joshua Nkomo - our father, he inspired me everyday of his life by his love for peace and our need to learn from others - why should we fall where we saw others falling, why not see the very same pitfalls that our brothers fell into so we can avoid them? I am not too sure of the wording but my children know every inch of word of that wisdom. Zimbabwe could have been the first Rwanda or Liberia or Somalia but Father Zimbabwe chose peace and to this day there is relative peace in Zimbabwe except during election season.
I am not too sure where your sudden love for war is coming from, is it some frustration? But everyone of us has a problem, but at the mess of our problems we do not think that war shall save the Zimbabwean family from its trials and tribulations.
Angola only realised after a good fraction of the population had shuttered legs for reason of war and landmines that they chose to negotiate with their heads and not with their AKs. Rwanda and Burundu never negotiated but hundreds of thousands died, not 20,000 nor a smaller number. Liberia and Mozambique negotiated too late.
I thought I have heard you speak of your love of ZAPU, have you ever heard of the Great Joshua Nkomo - our father, he inspired me everyday of his life by his love for peace and our need to learn from others - why should we fall where we saw others falling, why not see the very same pitfalls that our brothers fell into so we can avoid them? I am not too sure of the wording but my children know every inch of word of that wisdom. Zimbabwe could have been the first Rwanda or Liberia or Somalia but Father Zimbabwe chose peace and to this day there is relative peace in Zimbabwe except during election season.
I am not too sure where your sudden love for war is coming from, is it some frustration? But everyone of us has a problem, but at the mess of our problems we do not think that war shall save the Zimbabwean family from its trials and tribulations.
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written by Ryton Dzimiri (the Mbire), November 01, 2009
MWENI,
I RYTON DZIMIRI, AM A PEACE LOVING ZAPU MEMBER GROOMED BY JOSHUA NKOMOS LEADERSHIP TO CHOOSE PEACE OVER VIOLENCE. I AM A STRONG CHRISTIAN AS TONY BLAIR, GEOGRE BUSH AND ROBERT MUGABE CLAIM.
I LOVE PEACE BUT AS A HUMAN BEING, I HAVE A POTENTIAL LIKE MR MUGABE TO COUNTER VIOLENCE BY VIOLENCE. REMEMBER THE NICE PEACE LOVING BLACK RHODESIANS LIKE NKOMO AND MUGABE WERE PUSHED TO WAR BECAUSE AN ARMED MINORITY IAN SMITH TOOK ADVANTAGE OF AFRICAN NONE VIOLENT NATURE TO OPPRESS THEM. SMITH REFUSED TO MAKE MEANINGFULL ROUND THE TABLE DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE HE CONSIDERED HARMLESS AND INFERIOR JUST AS THE ARROGANCY YOU SEE IN MUGABE NOW.
POWER CORRUPT AND IF SOMEONE REMAINS FOR TOO LONG IN POWER, THEY TEND TO TAKE HUMAN COMPLAINS FORGRANTED.
MWENI, I AM NOT A MESSENGER OF DEATH NOR AM I ORGANISING OR CLAIMING TO BE ORGANISING AN ARMED STRUGGLE. I AM ONLY SHOWING THE HIGHLY POSSIBLE OPTIONS THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE ARE NOW FACING AFTER VOTING TSVANGIRAI IN AND MUGABE REFUSING TO GO BY THE PROMISE OF A GUN.
EVEN YOU MWENI CAN PRESS A TRIGGER, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT ZANU HAVE NOT BEATEN YOU UP TO THE EXTENT OF WISHING TO DIE OR TO KILL. IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT, YOU WILL BE LEFT WITH NO OPTION BUT TO PRESS THE TRIGGER.
MY COMMENT IS A REPLY TO A STATEMENT ZANU IS ALLEGED TO HAVE MADE THAT IN THE LAST ELECTIONS THEY BEAT THE BATTOCKS, AND THIS TIME AROUND THEY WILL PRESS THE TRIGGER.
I RESPONDED BY SAYING THERE IS NO QUALIFICATION NEEDED TO PRESS THE TRIGGER. THESE LAWLESS ARMED BULLIES SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT GUNS CAN BE OBTAINED BY ALL IN RESPONSE TO THEIR SMITH TACTIC OF BULLING THE UNARMED.
MWENI I WANT TO BE CLEARLY HONEST TO YOU, ALL POLICE AND ARMED FORCES ARE TIRED OF MUGABE SELF ENRICHMENT PROGRAMMES THAT LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DYING.
AS A RESULT , ZANU IS NOW A MINORITY BUT ARMED. THAT ARMED ELEMENT IS ONE THAT KEEPS MUGABES BULLYING SUSTAINED. THAT ELEMENT IS A MENU FOR A CIVIL WAR. A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM FAILED AND THERE IS NO MORE HOPE.
I BET YOU I DO NOT WANT WAR, BUT WAR IN ZIMBABWE IS NOW INEVITABLE.
I RYTON DZIMIRI, AM A PEACE LOVING ZAPU MEMBER GROOMED BY JOSHUA NKOMOS LEADERSHIP TO CHOOSE PEACE OVER VIOLENCE. I AM A STRONG CHRISTIAN AS TONY BLAIR, GEOGRE BUSH AND ROBERT MUGABE CLAIM.
I LOVE PEACE BUT AS A HUMAN BEING, I HAVE A POTENTIAL LIKE MR MUGABE TO COUNTER VIOLENCE BY VIOLENCE. REMEMBER THE NICE PEACE LOVING BLACK RHODESIANS LIKE NKOMO AND MUGABE WERE PUSHED TO WAR BECAUSE AN ARMED MINORITY IAN SMITH TOOK ADVANTAGE OF AFRICAN NONE VIOLENT NATURE TO OPPRESS THEM. SMITH REFUSED TO MAKE MEANINGFULL ROUND THE TABLE DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE HE CONSIDERED HARMLESS AND INFERIOR JUST AS THE ARROGANCY YOU SEE IN MUGABE NOW.
POWER CORRUPT AND IF SOMEONE REMAINS FOR TOO LONG IN POWER, THEY TEND TO TAKE HUMAN COMPLAINS FORGRANTED.
MWENI, I AM NOT A MESSENGER OF DEATH NOR AM I ORGANISING OR CLAIMING TO BE ORGANISING AN ARMED STRUGGLE. I AM ONLY SHOWING THE HIGHLY POSSIBLE OPTIONS THE PEOPLE OF ZIMBABWE ARE NOW FACING AFTER VOTING TSVANGIRAI IN AND MUGABE REFUSING TO GO BY THE PROMISE OF A GUN.
EVEN YOU MWENI CAN PRESS A TRIGGER, THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT ZANU HAVE NOT BEATEN YOU UP TO THE EXTENT OF WISHING TO DIE OR TO KILL. IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT, YOU WILL BE LEFT WITH NO OPTION BUT TO PRESS THE TRIGGER.
MY COMMENT IS A REPLY TO A STATEMENT ZANU IS ALLEGED TO HAVE MADE THAT IN THE LAST ELECTIONS THEY BEAT THE BATTOCKS, AND THIS TIME AROUND THEY WILL PRESS THE TRIGGER.
I RESPONDED BY SAYING THERE IS NO QUALIFICATION NEEDED TO PRESS THE TRIGGER. THESE LAWLESS ARMED BULLIES SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT GUNS CAN BE OBTAINED BY ALL IN RESPONSE TO THEIR SMITH TACTIC OF BULLING THE UNARMED.
MWENI I WANT TO BE CLEARLY HONEST TO YOU, ALL POLICE AND ARMED FORCES ARE TIRED OF MUGABE SELF ENRICHMENT PROGRAMMES THAT LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DYING.
AS A RESULT , ZANU IS NOW A MINORITY BUT ARMED. THAT ARMED ELEMENT IS ONE THAT KEEPS MUGABES BULLYING SUSTAINED. THAT ELEMENT IS A MENU FOR A CIVIL WAR. A DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM FAILED AND THERE IS NO MORE HOPE.
I BET YOU I DO NOT WANT WAR, BUT WAR IN ZIMBABWE IS NOW INEVITABLE.
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written by boby, November 01, 2009
I agree with you Tafara fully.Zimbabweans went through many years of violence and fighting during the liberation struggle and we deserve peace.While it is a fact that Zanu PF has no monopoly to violence and that in the event of a war breaking out there is no guarantee that Zanu PF will win, it is also equally true that there is no guarantee that its opponents whoever they can be will win.There is also no guarantee that we will not go through what Angola and Sudan have gone through, a protracted and bloody war.The MDC has done well so far by not using the gun to confront Bob, doing so would have simply been playing the role that Zanu PF has scripted for them.Part of mugabe's frustrations now are due to the fact that after provoking the MDC to fight the MDC did not respond as expected instead it continued to refrain from picking up arms of war.Now it looks like Zanu PF is stealing army guns to fight itself because the opponents they were preparing to fight have not shown up.We can still change the country's direction through peaceful means in the same way Martin Luther and company changed America without using a gun, and Gandhi changed India without using a gun.We are almost there," tadireyi kuputsa chirongo isu totopinda mumusha"?
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written by Myekeleni Manzini, November 01, 2009
Let's not forget that Tsvangirai has his own thugs and the only difference with Mugabe is that his thugs are used to intimidate members of his on party who have different view point than his. I think he borrowed that idea from his Sekuru Mugabe.
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written by Mweni Tafara, November 01, 2009
Ryton
You cannot compare the conflict of Rhodesia that was between the real enemy of African People (Smith) and Liberation Movements (ZAPU, ZANU etc) with a possible conflict between ZANU and MDC because there is no enemy between the later two because Africans are a family of Bantu tribes whose founding fathers were brothers, so how do we fight and for what?
You say you love peace but to counter Mugabe's violence you will use violence, in other words if you know that Mugabe is using barbarism because he is barbarian so you would want to go lower your ethics and become a barbarian so as to pit barbarian against barbarian? What is the wage of that violence or barbarism? What do you think you will earn, eternal peace? Read Boby's comment - what makes you certain that MDC or ZANU would be defeated quickly so that peace comes two minutes later. The war may be bloody and may take years.
You say "MWENI I WANT TO BE CLEARLY HONEST TO YOU, ALL POLICE AND ARMED FORCES ARE TIRED OF MUGABE SELF ENRICHMENT PROGRAMMES THAT LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DYING." I am not too sure of 100% aspect of your point when you say ALL PEOPLE (FORCES) because I am in Zimbabwe and on the ground. Yes MDC has substantial support and ZANU has its supporters while ZAPU have their supporters, how you have derived the 100% against ZANU, tell us your methodology.
You say "I BET YOU I DO NOT WANT WAR, BUT WAR IN ZIMBABWE IS NOW INEVITABLE. " Personaly I do not see war in Zimbabwe, what I see are political arguments especial electoral and legitimacy related and sometimes violence but strictly not war. No.
And one more motivation for violence you say is a result of Tsvangirai having won election and Mugabe refusing to cede power. How then does Mugabe or Tsvangirai convince me to go war on that basis? If I fight for Mugabe or Tsvangirai and I get killed along the way, clarify to me who will take care of my children and my wife's needs when I am dead - another war veteran or an MDC representative perhaps while I decompose in the grave that is if I am lucky to be buried. Or if I fight for MDC or ZANU and either win, will I directly benefit or I benefit as ordinarily as I am benefiting now when the two are in GNU. So why risk my life when the benefit is the same?
You cannot compare the conflict of Rhodesia that was between the real enemy of African People (Smith) and Liberation Movements (ZAPU, ZANU etc) with a possible conflict between ZANU and MDC because there is no enemy between the later two because Africans are a family of Bantu tribes whose founding fathers were brothers, so how do we fight and for what?
You say you love peace but to counter Mugabe's violence you will use violence, in other words if you know that Mugabe is using barbarism because he is barbarian so you would want to go lower your ethics and become a barbarian so as to pit barbarian against barbarian? What is the wage of that violence or barbarism? What do you think you will earn, eternal peace? Read Boby's comment - what makes you certain that MDC or ZANU would be defeated quickly so that peace comes two minutes later. The war may be bloody and may take years.
You say "MWENI I WANT TO BE CLEARLY HONEST TO YOU, ALL POLICE AND ARMED FORCES ARE TIRED OF MUGABE SELF ENRICHMENT PROGRAMMES THAT LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION DYING." I am not too sure of 100% aspect of your point when you say ALL PEOPLE (FORCES) because I am in Zimbabwe and on the ground. Yes MDC has substantial support and ZANU has its supporters while ZAPU have their supporters, how you have derived the 100% against ZANU, tell us your methodology.
You say "I BET YOU I DO NOT WANT WAR, BUT WAR IN ZIMBABWE IS NOW INEVITABLE. " Personaly I do not see war in Zimbabwe, what I see are political arguments especial electoral and legitimacy related and sometimes violence but strictly not war. No.
And one more motivation for violence you say is a result of Tsvangirai having won election and Mugabe refusing to cede power. How then does Mugabe or Tsvangirai convince me to go war on that basis? If I fight for Mugabe or Tsvangirai and I get killed along the way, clarify to me who will take care of my children and my wife's needs when I am dead - another war veteran or an MDC representative perhaps while I decompose in the grave that is if I am lucky to be buried. Or if I fight for MDC or ZANU and either win, will I directly benefit or I benefit as ordinarily as I am benefiting now when the two are in GNU. So why risk my life when the benefit is the same?
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written by Ryton Dzimiri, November 02, 2009
Mweni, again l repeat, l am not a messenger of death but l can assure you that the menu of war has been prepared by Mugabe himself and was is now inevitable.
Human beings are pro-peace from birth but it is the survival situation that drives them to war. God designed human beings to counter any situation that soap them of a chance to live a good life. No one can stop that natural instinct that is why inventions and ideas have made this world a better place for those who have gone through a complete process.
Todays solution to armed conflict is democracy and the rule of law. If an institution that was instaled to effect that educated peacefull resolve turns to be the one to violet the law, that becomes a menu for conflict and that is the stage Zimbabwe is this morning.
Mweni, l understand your situation. You probably have not been touched by Mugabe mechination and all the complains you hear are doubtfull to you. I went to school with people like you in Zimbabwe, those who did not see Gukurahundi and would mock you if you spoke about it. The are two Zimbabwes in Zimbabwe. The content and the discontent. The discontent cant bear the level of bullying anymore while the content can live with it.
It is the discontent who will use methods they see fit to survive peacefully in a Zimbabwe that is held hostage by armed bullies.
Democracy has failed to remove an armed man from power. If the United Nations does something to help democracy take coarse, then thank heavens, but if they keep ignoring the plight of Africans as they always do, then we cant avoid a natural response to a menu Mugabe has prepared.
Human beings are pro-peace from birth but it is the survival situation that drives them to war. God designed human beings to counter any situation that soap them of a chance to live a good life. No one can stop that natural instinct that is why inventions and ideas have made this world a better place for those who have gone through a complete process.
Todays solution to armed conflict is democracy and the rule of law. If an institution that was instaled to effect that educated peacefull resolve turns to be the one to violet the law, that becomes a menu for conflict and that is the stage Zimbabwe is this morning.
Mweni, l understand your situation. You probably have not been touched by Mugabe mechination and all the complains you hear are doubtfull to you. I went to school with people like you in Zimbabwe, those who did not see Gukurahundi and would mock you if you spoke about it. The are two Zimbabwes in Zimbabwe. The content and the discontent. The discontent cant bear the level of bullying anymore while the content can live with it.
It is the discontent who will use methods they see fit to survive peacefully in a Zimbabwe that is held hostage by armed bullies.
Democracy has failed to remove an armed man from power. If the United Nations does something to help democracy take coarse, then thank heavens, but if they keep ignoring the plight of Africans as they always do, then we cant avoid a natural response to a menu Mugabe has prepared.
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written by chibhanguza, November 02, 2009
when our fathers ,mothers,brothers,sisters took up arms to fight the whites they were fighting against injustice repressive system not against the whites .29 years later we stil faced with the same system.so the equation is equal 2 "armed struggle" since the "diplomatic democratic strugle" has dismaly failed
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written by Mweni Tafara, November 02, 2009
Ryton:
Where were you around 2000, 2005 and 2008 elections? If people did not go to war during those times when they used to earn 25cents a month a teacher as an example or nothing, how do they go to war now when the same taecher is taking home USD170-00?
If you hear the British and Americans talking of reasonable change in Zimbabwe it means a very reasonable change has occurred. Yes its not at its best but there is a turnaround and people are seeing it and people really want it to continue gaining more momentum but honestly I am at a loss as to where you have derived a notion for war in Zimbabwe.
You seem to have suddenly declared a state of emegerncy or war in Zimbabwe but I can tell you that there is no war and there is not going to be war in the future. I want you to use these contrasting views by you and me to measure truth, credibility of assessment of situation and general awareness of what is happening in the country. So in your heart keep it that Mweni said there would be no war but I Ryton declared that war was eminent. I duely start the clock........ 13 41 hrs GMT 2 November 2009 - tick tick tick tick tick
Where were you around 2000, 2005 and 2008 elections? If people did not go to war during those times when they used to earn 25cents a month a teacher as an example or nothing, how do they go to war now when the same taecher is taking home USD170-00?
If you hear the British and Americans talking of reasonable change in Zimbabwe it means a very reasonable change has occurred. Yes its not at its best but there is a turnaround and people are seeing it and people really want it to continue gaining more momentum but honestly I am at a loss as to where you have derived a notion for war in Zimbabwe.
You seem to have suddenly declared a state of emegerncy or war in Zimbabwe but I can tell you that there is no war and there is not going to be war in the future. I want you to use these contrasting views by you and me to measure truth, credibility of assessment of situation and general awareness of what is happening in the country. So in your heart keep it that Mweni said there would be no war but I Ryton declared that war was eminent. I duely start the clock........ 13 41 hrs GMT 2 November 2009 - tick tick tick tick tick
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written by maidei, November 02, 2009
War is not an option. That is exactly what Mugabe has been gaging for all along. Morgan has done well to deny him the excuse to commit more genocide. Zimbabweans will simply not stoop that low. The road has been long but freedom will come one day. If any party goes to war and is victorious, they will be just like ZANU PF and hold people at ransome for many more years to come.
War is not the best way to mature our democracy and i for one will not support anyone who does that.. The time for liberation war movements has come and gone. ZANU is on its way out. Democracy will prevail. A new generation of leaders not tainted by the liberation struggle will move the country forward. But before then, ''its often darkest before dawn''.
Hold fast Zimbabweans.
War is not the best way to mature our democracy and i for one will not support anyone who does that.. The time for liberation war movements has come and gone. ZANU is on its way out. Democracy will prevail. A new generation of leaders not tainted by the liberation struggle will move the country forward. But before then, ''its often darkest before dawn''.
Hold fast Zimbabweans.
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written by Ryton Dzimiri (the Mbire), November 02, 2009
I WILL BE GLAD NOT TOSEE WAR AFTER NEXT ELECTIONS OR AN INVASSION BY BRUTAL FOREIGN TROOPS. I GREW UP IN A WAR AND I HATE IT, BUT I KNOW WHAT CAUSES A WAR. IN THIS CASE, THE MENU IS ON THE TABLE.
A FEW ARMED INDIVIDUALS ARE BULLYING A DISGUNTLED MAJORITY. KEEP WATCHING, RYTON WONT START A WAR BUT RYTON CANT STOP ONE.
ONLY MUGABE CAN STOP A WAR BY ACCEPTING THE PEOPLES VERDICT, BUT A MUGABE I KNOW DOES NOT SUBSCRIBE TO DEMOCRATIC VERDICTS.
A FEW ARMED INDIVIDUALS ARE BULLYING A DISGUNTLED MAJORITY. KEEP WATCHING, RYTON WONT START A WAR BUT RYTON CANT STOP ONE.
ONLY MUGABE CAN STOP A WAR BY ACCEPTING THE PEOPLES VERDICT, BUT A MUGABE I KNOW DOES NOT SUBSCRIBE TO DEMOCRATIC VERDICTS.
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written by Mweni Tafara, November 02, 2009
Ryton:
Read Maidei's comment. Who said she is not a good sister before?
Yes Ryton you may not start the war but you cannot stop one as you say but I think you will joyfully join the war crowd if you see that they have started it. You are sympathetic to war and you seem to dream about it.
From this discussion I can safely infer that you did not see war at all, the testimony that you gave on this website, I dont know where you read it from? I did not critique it that time but what I can say to you today is whoever supped or dined with dissidents was punished decisively whether they were Xhosa, Hutu, Rhodesia or Dutch. Your excuse that you were not killed because you had a Shona name is tribal propaganda.
I did saw war as a young man growing up in the rural areas in Zimbabwe. I remember when I got caught in the crossfire while herding cattle, I saw bullets in red hot fire during the evening and I abandoned the family herd from fear of death. I will not want to experience that again and other sad things I saw during the war neither would I want my neighbour or brother to feel or experience the same while I were to watch SKY TV in the diaspora.
Dont forget about the clock Ryton - The Clock of War.
Read Maidei's comment. Who said she is not a good sister before?
Yes Ryton you may not start the war but you cannot stop one as you say but I think you will joyfully join the war crowd if you see that they have started it. You are sympathetic to war and you seem to dream about it.
From this discussion I can safely infer that you did not see war at all, the testimony that you gave on this website, I dont know where you read it from? I did not critique it that time but what I can say to you today is whoever supped or dined with dissidents was punished decisively whether they were Xhosa, Hutu, Rhodesia or Dutch. Your excuse that you were not killed because you had a Shona name is tribal propaganda.
I did saw war as a young man growing up in the rural areas in Zimbabwe. I remember when I got caught in the crossfire while herding cattle, I saw bullets in red hot fire during the evening and I abandoned the family herd from fear of death. I will not want to experience that again and other sad things I saw during the war neither would I want my neighbour or brother to feel or experience the same while I were to watch SKY TV in the diaspora.
Dont forget about the clock Ryton - The Clock of War.
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written by Ryton Dzimiri, November 03, 2009
Mweni
Its pointless for me to try and prove to you that I grew us in a war. Secondly your Shona environment automatically makes you a Gukurahundi denialist unless you are a Shona from midlands who has seen it all.
Thus why you draw an offence from someone who says he survived death because he is shona. If I were to add that in 2004, I got a school vacant in one of the top Bulawayo school for my sisters daughter because of my Shona surname, you would hate me again. These things are true and because you live in places where you have never seen Ndebele prejudice makes you a hard believer. I dont doubt at all that you are intelligent, but do not assume that what you believe is always right. Learn to accept other peoples testimonies and keep your silence if you are in doubt lest you taint your dignity trying to judge things you assess by the power of instinct.
NOW LETS STOP SPECULATING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE OUTBREAK OF WAR IN ZIMBABWE AND FOLD OUR ARMS WHEN ZANU IS SHOOTING THE MDC VILLAGERS. MDC MAKES MAJORITY OF ZIMBABWEANS AND MDC ARE NOT ARMED. ZANU HAS PROMISED A BULLET THIS TIME AROUND. My eyes see Ian Smith dangerous miscalculation about the defenceless majority. My moses smell a repetition of the past, and I am aware your clock is ticking, keep it ticking my brother and feel secured. But remember some people have never seen their children for a decade now and a gun is pointing at them and they are as much Zimbabwean as Zanu.
Its pointless for me to try and prove to you that I grew us in a war. Secondly your Shona environment automatically makes you a Gukurahundi denialist unless you are a Shona from midlands who has seen it all.
Thus why you draw an offence from someone who says he survived death because he is shona. If I were to add that in 2004, I got a school vacant in one of the top Bulawayo school for my sisters daughter because of my Shona surname, you would hate me again. These things are true and because you live in places where you have never seen Ndebele prejudice makes you a hard believer. I dont doubt at all that you are intelligent, but do not assume that what you believe is always right. Learn to accept other peoples testimonies and keep your silence if you are in doubt lest you taint your dignity trying to judge things you assess by the power of instinct.
NOW LETS STOP SPECULATING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE OUTBREAK OF WAR IN ZIMBABWE AND FOLD OUR ARMS WHEN ZANU IS SHOOTING THE MDC VILLAGERS. MDC MAKES MAJORITY OF ZIMBABWEANS AND MDC ARE NOT ARMED. ZANU HAS PROMISED A BULLET THIS TIME AROUND. My eyes see Ian Smith dangerous miscalculation about the defenceless majority. My moses smell a repetition of the past, and I am aware your clock is ticking, keep it ticking my brother and feel secured. But remember some people have never seen their children for a decade now and a gun is pointing at them and they are as much Zimbabwean as Zanu.
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written by Nswabanda, November 03, 2009
Keep up the fight, Mweni and Ryton!
What I have learnt and observed from civil unrest world over, the victims are innocent civilians with nothing to do with the warlords. Take Mozambique, Dhlakama is seated pretty right now. Rwanda - Paul Kagama is enjoying whils tousands have no limbs. In DRC, Kabila is even now a regional leader whils his poor countrymen suffer consequencies of civil unrest. Take Zimbabwe, thousands are orphaned, lost their loved ones in the Gukurahundi reign of terror. Look who benefited.....! Think of any civil unrest, its the innocent and poor who suffer.
So for those who say that Zimbabweans should rise and take up arms, please start by doing that yourself. Come to Zimbabwe and lead the revoulution!
What I have learnt and observed from civil unrest world over, the victims are innocent civilians with nothing to do with the warlords. Take Mozambique, Dhlakama is seated pretty right now. Rwanda - Paul Kagama is enjoying whils tousands have no limbs. In DRC, Kabila is even now a regional leader whils his poor countrymen suffer consequencies of civil unrest. Take Zimbabwe, thousands are orphaned, lost their loved ones in the Gukurahundi reign of terror. Look who benefited.....! Think of any civil unrest, its the innocent and poor who suffer.
So for those who say that Zimbabweans should rise and take up arms, please start by doing that yourself. Come to Zimbabwe and lead the revoulution!
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written by Mweni Tafara, November 03, 2009
Ryton
There are indeed prejudices that have happened in Zimbabwe against minority tribes like associating the Ndebele people with knives and blaming them for any suspected knife attack or any other matter like failing to secure a vacancy for school or college. But when it came to issues of being a sell-out within ZANU, it did not matter whether you were Shona or anyone. Example, I saw Zanla liberation fighters killing lots of Shonas in Manicaland, Mashonaland and Masvingo whom they suspected to be Smith agents or sell-outs. I also saw a Zanla fighter cut his uncle (mother's brother) into two pieces for being a smith agent and if indeed you were saved for supplying food to Gwesela for the reason of a Shona name, then its was by a miracle of the Creator.
I will not keep quite when I hear a brother making war prophecies.
And if for some reason "some people have never seen their children for a decade now and a gun is pointing at them and they are as much Zimbabwean as Zanu", could that be a justification for war, what if the same children you have not seen for years are killed by that war? What is better, to fail to see your children for now and not forever than to have those children killed by war?
My background has a lot of Ndebele influence, I told you of Baba Joshua Nkomo, I do not see anything tribal or Ndebele in him but his wisdom and I happened to attend a small private college in Matebeleland and most of my colleagues were Ndebele and we were like family. They would teach me a bit of Ndebele while I taught them a bit of Shona, I would speak Ndebele to them so as to learn Ndebele faster while they spoke some bit of Shona to me so as to learn while we correct each other. I used to rent a room and I shared a house with a Ndebele family, they were wonderful and I always miss them. I have no prejudice against any tribe because to me all tribes in Africa originate from founding fathers who were brothers and sisters and so I see a very close relationship within the bantu family.
If you remember a few weeks ago, I said I saw a constitutional proposal that seeks to appoint traditional chiefs as Members of Parliament to represent the tribally under-previleged and I loved the idea where ministers would be appointed based on Curruculum Vitae and not political fanatiscism but I did not receive many supportive comments because people are eating not by sweat nor work nor education but by politics and political parties. You work up one day form a party on tribal basis and start summoning your clan for membership and you break the poverty cycle. Thats not my philosophy. My philosophy is a free and just system that rewards hard work, innovation and expertise regardless of your tribe of origin.
There are indeed prejudices that have happened in Zimbabwe against minority tribes like associating the Ndebele people with knives and blaming them for any suspected knife attack or any other matter like failing to secure a vacancy for school or college. But when it came to issues of being a sell-out within ZANU, it did not matter whether you were Shona or anyone. Example, I saw Zanla liberation fighters killing lots of Shonas in Manicaland, Mashonaland and Masvingo whom they suspected to be Smith agents or sell-outs. I also saw a Zanla fighter cut his uncle (mother's brother) into two pieces for being a smith agent and if indeed you were saved for supplying food to Gwesela for the reason of a Shona name, then its was by a miracle of the Creator.
I will not keep quite when I hear a brother making war prophecies.
And if for some reason "some people have never seen their children for a decade now and a gun is pointing at them and they are as much Zimbabwean as Zanu", could that be a justification for war, what if the same children you have not seen for years are killed by that war? What is better, to fail to see your children for now and not forever than to have those children killed by war?
My background has a lot of Ndebele influence, I told you of Baba Joshua Nkomo, I do not see anything tribal or Ndebele in him but his wisdom and I happened to attend a small private college in Matebeleland and most of my colleagues were Ndebele and we were like family. They would teach me a bit of Ndebele while I taught them a bit of Shona, I would speak Ndebele to them so as to learn Ndebele faster while they spoke some bit of Shona to me so as to learn while we correct each other. I used to rent a room and I shared a house with a Ndebele family, they were wonderful and I always miss them. I have no prejudice against any tribe because to me all tribes in Africa originate from founding fathers who were brothers and sisters and so I see a very close relationship within the bantu family.
If you remember a few weeks ago, I said I saw a constitutional proposal that seeks to appoint traditional chiefs as Members of Parliament to represent the tribally under-previleged and I loved the idea where ministers would be appointed based on Curruculum Vitae and not political fanatiscism but I did not receive many supportive comments because people are eating not by sweat nor work nor education but by politics and political parties. You work up one day form a party on tribal basis and start summoning your clan for membership and you break the poverty cycle. Thats not my philosophy. My philosophy is a free and just system that rewards hard work, innovation and expertise regardless of your tribe of origin.
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written by Ryton Dzimiri, November 03, 2009
Mweni,
I didnt take you as some one who hates the Ndebele, I know people who do that and you are not one of them. However I did mention that your location in Zimbabwe, your geographical location has a bearing to your mythical belief about the Ndebele, like the Gwesela issue, some people in Matebeleland do not see Gwesela in the spectacle that you see him. They know the exact grudge Gwesela had about Mugabe then, and they shared his disgruntlement. Mugabes idea was to strengthen the hand of the Shona over the Ndebela which would have made you Mweni a benefitiory and myself but grossly prejudicing the Ndebele.
Any prejudice is not acceptiable in my world. Be it strengthen the hand of an Zanu over an MDC, A Shona over a Ndebele, a Zezuru over a Manyika, a White Zimbabwean over a Black Zimbabwean, I hate government perpetuated prejudice.
Zimbabwean should be respected in their own sovereign county and their votes, disgruntlements, and opinions respected and Zanu has got no clue what that means.
Mugabe is a tool of mass destruction and it will take us many decades to repair his legacy.
I didnt take you as some one who hates the Ndebele, I know people who do that and you are not one of them. However I did mention that your location in Zimbabwe, your geographical location has a bearing to your mythical belief about the Ndebele, like the Gwesela issue, some people in Matebeleland do not see Gwesela in the spectacle that you see him. They know the exact grudge Gwesela had about Mugabe then, and they shared his disgruntlement. Mugabes idea was to strengthen the hand of the Shona over the Ndebela which would have made you Mweni a benefitiory and myself but grossly prejudicing the Ndebele.
Any prejudice is not acceptiable in my world. Be it strengthen the hand of an Zanu over an MDC, A Shona over a Ndebele, a Zezuru over a Manyika, a White Zimbabwean over a Black Zimbabwean, I hate government perpetuated prejudice.
Zimbabwean should be respected in their own sovereign county and their votes, disgruntlements, and opinions respected and Zanu has got no clue what that means.
Mugabe is a tool of mass destruction and it will take us many decades to repair his legacy.
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ZANU FAILED TO USE THEIR SUPER NATURAL POWER TO STOP MUZENDA FROM DYING, THEY FAILED TO USE THEIR SO CALLED POWER TO STOP MUGABE FROM AGING TO 85. THEY ARE JUST AS HUMAN AS ANYONE AND ONCE THEY USE THE GUN, THEY WILL BE SUPRISED TO PRESIDE IS A COUNTRY WHERE EVERY CIVILIAN WILL HAVE THEIR OWN AK 47 BRAND NEW ORIGIONAL RUSSIAN MADE.
ZANU MUST REMEMBER SMITH USED THE GUN TO BULLY A DEFENCELESS MAJORITY. AT THE END, MAJORITY WON. A GUN IS NOTHING. WITH OR WITHOUT THE LAW, AN EXTREEMELY ANGRY MAN CAN ACQUIRE ANY GUN. THE REASON WHY WE DO NOT NEED GUNS NOW IN ZIMBABWE IS THAT ZANU HAS NOT STARTED SHOOTING US. ONCE THEY START, THEY WILL WAKE UP TO A NEW MORNING WHERE ALL ZIMBABWEAN HOMES WILL BE FENCED BY AK 47S.
GUNS ARE NOT MANUFACTURED BY ZANU. THEY ARE OBTAINABLE FROM ABROAD AND ONE NEEDS THE CONCENT OF ZIMBABWEAN NEIGBOURS TO SHIP THEM IN. THUS WHY MUGABE HAS TO LISTERN WHEN THE NEIGBOURS ADVICE, FAILURE TO LISTEN WILL LEAVE HIM AS VALNARABLI AS MUSSOLINI.
CHINOBHURURUKA CHINOMHARA