ZAPU-UK has urged the United Nations to start investigating the Matabeleland massacres perpetrated by President Mugabe's 5th Brigade, infamously known as Gukurahundi. Up to 20 000 Ndebele speaking people of Zulu origin were ruthlessly murdered by the 5th Brigade in an ethnic cleansing fashion, according to a credible Catholic Commission report, Breaking Silence. ZAPU's call comes two days after a UN expert on Torture and Human Rights Professor Manfred Nowak was barred from entering Zimbabwe.
In October 1980, Mr Mugabe signed an agreement with the North Korean President, Kim Il Sung that they would train a brigade outside the whims of the Zimbabwean national army. This was soon after Mugabe had announced the need for a militia to "combat malcontents". However, there was very little civil unrest in Zimbabwe at this time. In August 1981, 106 Koreans arrived to train the new brigade, Gukurahundi which Mr Mugabe said was to be used to "deal with dissidents and any other trouble in the country". Even by August 1981, there had been very little internal unrest. Joshua Nkomo, the then leader of ZAPU, asked why this brigade was necessary, when the country already had a police force to handle internal problems. Nkomo had publicly suggested Mugabe would use it to build a one party state. Mr Mugabe replied by saying dissidents should "watch out", and further announced the brigade would be called "Gukurahundi", which means the rain which washes away the chaff before the spring rains. The 5 Brigade was exclusively ex-ZANLA troops at Tongogara Assembly Point. It seems there were also some foreigners in the unit, possibly Tanzanians, according to the Catholic report Breaking Silence.
Press Release UN should investigate Gukurahundi atrocities
London, October 20 - ZAPU Europe province has today written and requested that Professor Manfred Nowak includes as part of his terms of reference; the investigation into the Gukurahundi atrocities committed by Robert Mugabe and the ZANU-PF led government between 1982 and 1987 in the Matebeleland and Midlands provinces of Zimbabwe. This is in the context of his interest on Zimbabwe including his attempt to enter the country this week.
Introduction
Human Rights violations in Zimbabwe are an ongoing feature of the Robert Mugabe's government that started as early as they came into office in the early 1980s. This is a request for the office of the Special Rapporteur Professor Nowak to include investigations into the massacre of more than 20,000 and disappearance of thousands of Zimbabwe African People’s Union (ZAPU) supporters between 1982 -1987.
Human Rights situation in Zimbabwe
The current and ongoing human rights abuses in Zimbabwe are known to the world mainly in the context of farm invasions and politically motivated violence against human rights activists and members of opposition parties.
We assert that what is missing here is the bigger, deeper and wider human rights crimes perpetrated by Mr Mugabe’s ZANU PF government between 1982 – 1988 when an estimated 20,000 ZAPU supporters were murdered.
This was done on a massive scale. There are public research findings to this effect done by credible researchers of this morden world. Mr Mugabe used his North Korean trained 5 Brigade infamously called Gukurahundi. Tens of thousands were maimed, women and children raped and many disappeared.
ZAPU leaders were detained without trial. Ordinary citizens were denied justice. The regions of Matabeleland and Midlands suffered years of deliberate underdevelopment with children denied access to education and basic human needs like food and healthcare. These people were denied the right to have rights in the face of the 21st century civilisation. You will agree with me that the right to development and education is a right of all communities as well as individuals and is addressed in the Vienna Declaration of 1986. It seeks to promote the full realisation of all human rights - political, social, economical and cultural.
There was total devastation and unspeakable human rights abuses by the Mugabe regime. ZAPU leader at the time Dr Joshua Nkomo was forced into exile. In the end, our leaders took a difficult decision in the interest of peace and to save lives and signed the Unity Accord.
Our Request and rationale
1.The Gukurahundi issue has never been investigated by any official UN body and the truth needs to be established for Zimbabwe to address this phase of her recent history.
2.There are thousands of surviving victims who are emotionally and physically hurting. Nothing has been done for them and they continue to struggle without any form of assistance. Some are women and children rapped at the time. Mugabe’s government has continuously denied addressing the atrocities and the scale of the crimes against humanity.
3.Thousands of survivors whose relatives disappeared still need an official investigation for closure.
4.We see the current human rights issues as a continuation of what started during Gukurahundi making it important not to separate the two.
5.It would be valuable for Zimbabweans and the world at large to understand what happened during Gukurahundi. This will be helpful for solutions and an appropriate response to be formulated.
6.There are mass grave in many parts of Matabeleland and Midlands today and there is a danger that if they are not addressed, these crime scenes may be interfered with as relatives are still determined to find their loved ones.
We, ZAPU (Europe Chapter), now kindly request that you include as part of your terms of reference during your visit to Zimbabwe, an investigation into Gukurahundi and the ongoing effects on the people of Mthwakazi (Midlands and Matabeleland).
Background of ZAPU
ZAPU was formed in 1961 as the first party to fight for democracy and liberation in Zimbabwe. We established relations with the British over the years based on our sound policies under the leadership of the late Dr Joshua Mqabuko Nkomo.8
In 1979, ZAPU signed the Lancaster agreement as part of the Patriotic Front leading to Zimbabwe’s independence. In 1980, we joined a Government of National Unity (GNU) but were dismissed in 1982 when Mugabe and ZANU PF started cracking down on our supporters and persecuting our leadership.
After Mugabe killed more than 20,000 of innocent and defenceless civilian ZAPU supporters, the party was forced into a GNU in 1987 for peace. ZAPU pulled out of the Unity Accord on 16th May 2009. We are now the opposition party in Zimbabwe with an important constituency.
Zenzo Ncube
www.zapu.org.uk
Secretary for Information and Publicity (Europe)
Tel: +44 (0) 7881648982
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written by Choga Chidyausiku, October 30, 2009
Couldn't you put all your comments in one submission.
Kuchikoro imi ndimi vanhu vaigara vachiita macorrection. Seems the issue is so thorny to you that you have to keep on comming back to add these dodoish comments of yours.
Why are you on about protecting the perpetrators of the gukurahundi. The world knowing about the gukurahundi attrocities and doing nothing about it does not solve our problems. If you were not affected regera vanoda kugadzirirwa nyaya yavo vagadzire vega. Asi imwe hama yako yaive mugukurahundi here.
Next time you write you must stop numbersing sentences. Anywhere like someone used to doing corrections, we will wait for your next attempt to correct your failures to decode this issue.
Kuchikoro imi ndimi vanhu vaigara vachiita macorrection. Seems the issue is so thorny to you that you have to keep on comming back to add these dodoish comments of yours.
Why are you on about protecting the perpetrators of the gukurahundi. The world knowing about the gukurahundi attrocities and doing nothing about it does not solve our problems. If you were not affected regera vanoda kugadzirirwa nyaya yavo vagadzire vega. Asi imwe hama yako yaive mugukurahundi here.
Next time you write you must stop numbersing sentences. Anywhere like someone used to doing corrections, we will wait for your next attempt to correct your failures to decode this issue.
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written by Joseph Msipa, October 30, 2009
Vana zenzo tibvirei apa. What do you know about ZAPU? kugeza chembere wasiira ani
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written by mokoena, October 30, 2009
Mistake number 1. Not all of the people killed were of ZULU origin. There were people from the Rozvi empire too. Khalanga, Lozi, Tonga, Nambya and some Shona sympathisers. There were also Xhosa and Sotho people killed. Do you remember who was the first black President of Rhodesia-Zimbabwe. Yes history didnt teach you. He was Xhosa and he survived death by a whisker, though some of his Xhosa people were killed and Joshua Nkomo rushed to the scene in shock thinking he was dead only to find out that he survived. I WILL NOT TELL YOU HIS NAME RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF AND YOU WILL DISCOVER SO MUCH INFORMATION IN THE PROCESS.
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written by Nswabanda, October 30, 2009
Choga Chidyausku:
Enda undodya usiku uchiroya! Tibvire apa!
Enda undodya usiku uchiroya! Tibvire apa!
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written by mokoena, October 30, 2009
Nswabanda if you are not CIO you were raised in a family full of hate. We wont be able to change you but I think you need the love of God.
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written by Rumbi, October 30, 2009
Iwe Nswabanda mafungiro ako ndee nhunzvwa tunzva, mhara patsetsetse chaiyo. Siyana nevanhu veZAPU iwe ziva zvako zve MDC zvekugova ma benz ne maposts ne ZANU.
Vari right munhu vanyora tsamba iyi, gukurahundi inofanira kuwongororwa ne United Nations. Kana Mugabe ne Zanu vane mhosva vanofanira kupinzwa parumana nzombe. Asi Mugabe ihama yako kanhi. Sei usingadi kuti awongororwe. Dai iri nguva yehondo waichekwa muromo. Nharadada yemunhu.
Vari right munhu vanyora tsamba iyi, gukurahundi inofanira kuwongororwa ne United Nations. Kana Mugabe ne Zanu vane mhosva vanofanira kupinzwa parumana nzombe. Asi Mugabe ihama yako kanhi. Sei usingadi kuti awongororwe. Dai iri nguva yehondo waichekwa muromo. Nharadada yemunhu.
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written by Nswabanda, October 30, 2009
Mokoena:
Nxa livoxa indaba kufuze litshengiswe indlela mpela!
I am not denying the Gukurahundi attrocities, but the tact which you young boys want it addressed. You will never get anywhere with it! Better minded and knowledgeable people have already informed the UN of that issue! The CCJP report has widely circulated UN offices! It is a well documented issue. What you don't know is that these ZANU leaders will wince and resort to a defensive posture once you mention it and they will do whatever it takes to keep it out of way! Whats the point of harping and shouting on something you know will never be addressed whilst ZANU still has power?
We as MDC supporting people are fighting to dislodge that grip so that we can deal with it once the murderers are out of power and you grenhorns are meddling up! At the nd of the day you end up trivialising the issue and who gains? ZANU!
We know history much better than you boys! We know much about u Josiah Zion Gumede than you do! So stop parading you little knowledge mfana!
Nxa livoxa indaba kufuze litshengiswe indlela mpela!
I am not denying the Gukurahundi attrocities, but the tact which you young boys want it addressed. You will never get anywhere with it! Better minded and knowledgeable people have already informed the UN of that issue! The CCJP report has widely circulated UN offices! It is a well documented issue. What you don't know is that these ZANU leaders will wince and resort to a defensive posture once you mention it and they will do whatever it takes to keep it out of way! Whats the point of harping and shouting on something you know will never be addressed whilst ZANU still has power?
We as MDC supporting people are fighting to dislodge that grip so that we can deal with it once the murderers are out of power and you grenhorns are meddling up! At the nd of the day you end up trivialising the issue and who gains? ZANU!
We know history much better than you boys! We know much about u Josiah Zion Gumede than you do! So stop parading you little knowledge mfana!
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written by Rumbi, October 30, 2009
If you go through this document, it simply states the case and asks the UN to include the gukurahundi as one of their terms of reference if at all they are to investigate human rights issues in Zimbabwe. The CCJP did their own investigation. What was done after that to redress the issue, nothing. Instead Mugabe was knighted and showered with degress
Some people get goose pimples everytime ZAPU and Gukurahundi are mentioned. Noone has the monopoly of requesting a national griviances be addresed. Young, old inexperienced or all the prior, they can do it. Its their right.
Some people get goose pimples everytime ZAPU and Gukurahundi are mentioned. Noone has the monopoly of requesting a national griviances be addresed. Young, old inexperienced or all the prior, they can do it. Its their right.
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written by Nswabanda, October 30, 2009
Rumbi:
We are not denying that! What we say is to muddle in an already agreed agenda! Like you rightfully say, Zanu gets goose pimples when that issue is mentioned. Thats exactly what happened and thats why they send Nowak back. At the end of the day nothing came out of it! Had we stuck to one issue at a time, Nowack could still be in Zim hearing accounts of torture etc! The Gukurahundi issue might still have been touched as well!
Like you say everyone has a right tocalling UN, why did ZAPU UK not call UN earlier, than wait to meddle in this issue of 2008 Election violence? What have they achieved? Right now they are free to call him strictly for GUKURAHUNDI! They can go ahead!
For as long as ZANU is still in power, that issue will not be addressed! It's the painful truth! What we are saying is, let us weaken ZANu then we have a strong footing to prosecute those who led the Gukurahundi attrocities! Lets get Zanu out first then we prosecute! World over, dictators are only apprehended after being thrown out of power not the other way round! All dictators we went to the Hague, Charles Taylor, Karadzic etc, were first removed from power! Thats what ZAPU should fight for and not try to skin a lion whilst it is still running!
We are not denying that! What we say is to muddle in an already agreed agenda! Like you rightfully say, Zanu gets goose pimples when that issue is mentioned. Thats exactly what happened and thats why they send Nowak back. At the end of the day nothing came out of it! Had we stuck to one issue at a time, Nowack could still be in Zim hearing accounts of torture etc! The Gukurahundi issue might still have been touched as well!
Like you say everyone has a right tocalling UN, why did ZAPU UK not call UN earlier, than wait to meddle in this issue of 2008 Election violence? What have they achieved? Right now they are free to call him strictly for GUKURAHUNDI! They can go ahead!
For as long as ZANU is still in power, that issue will not be addressed! It's the painful truth! What we are saying is, let us weaken ZANu then we have a strong footing to prosecute those who led the Gukurahundi attrocities! Lets get Zanu out first then we prosecute! World over, dictators are only apprehended after being thrown out of power not the other way round! All dictators we went to the Hague, Charles Taylor, Karadzic etc, were first removed from power! Thats what ZAPU should fight for and not try to skin a lion whilst it is still running!
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written by Maidei, October 30, 2009
Nswabanda
You have a back bone. You are like a tree by the waterside. I like people like you.
I will not say much because lately my posts are always being deleted.
How old is Zenzo anyway? What qualification does he hold? MDC has Chamisa, ZANU has Jonathan Moyo and ZAPU has Zenzo. Chuckle!! chuckle!!! he he de!!
You have a back bone. You are like a tree by the waterside. I like people like you.
I will not say much because lately my posts are always being deleted.
How old is Zenzo anyway? What qualification does he hold? MDC has Chamisa, ZANU has Jonathan Moyo and ZAPU has Zenzo. Chuckle!! chuckle!!! he he de!!
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written by mlindelwa, October 30, 2009
Mokoena
can we take it that the mokoenas of this world have been 'tactfully' handling the gukurahundi issue for over twenty years. and that they have had much success behind the scenes. kambe?
can we take it that the mokoenas of this world have been 'tactfully' handling the gukurahundi issue for over twenty years. and that they have had much success behind the scenes. kambe?
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written by Stanford, October 30, 2009
Maidei,
As much as I respect your right to freedom of speech, is as much as I am convinced that Zimbabwe does not need people like you whose job is to fuel tension, hatred and violence. Losing loved ones in the hands of people like you is not something that a normal reasoning person should celebrate. Only Zanu-PFand their armed terrorist units do that. I personally would not like to see a repeat of a Ruanda situation in any part of the world especially Zimbabwe my beloved country. Please next time think about it.
As much as I respect your right to freedom of speech, is as much as I am convinced that Zimbabwe does not need people like you whose job is to fuel tension, hatred and violence. Losing loved ones in the hands of people like you is not something that a normal reasoning person should celebrate. Only Zanu-PFand their armed terrorist units do that. I personally would not like to see a repeat of a Ruanda situation in any part of the world especially Zimbabwe my beloved country. Please next time think about it.
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written by Mpembe, October 30, 2009
What is this about people's qualifications. People who went to upper tops like this swabanda character are are very narrow minded. I know, Zenzo he works for the M15 at Westminster and in sometimes in Reading in the Ministry of Defence IT. Best bet Nswabanda, Zenzo is more qualified than your leader Morgan Tsvangirai.
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written by Stah, October 30, 2009
I hear tsvangson only has a certificate of attendance, and some other dogdy certificate he got through correspondence with some college in the US. This probably explains why he is chasing shadows around Mugabe.
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written by Nswabanda, October 30, 2009
Mpembe/ Stah
I am qualified to degree level in my field. I have an MBA from NUST. My first degree is from UZ. I graduated in 1992 when it was still a college of repute. I went to one of the best schools in Bulawayo.
That aside, who says education makes good politicians? What do you make of "Professor Jonathan Moyo"? How many study degrees, not honorary ones doe Mugabe have?
For your own information, education or lack thereof does not make a good politician. It is the human nature in the person. Look at the most brilliant and well educated politicians here in Zim, what havethey done to the country? Is DD, your erstwhile ZAPU leader that much learned?
You are very myopic in thinking!
Educated as you purpote your Zenzo to be, how come he lies blatantly about the history of ZAPU? He has a flimsy grip of the party's history. I bet you he is a born-free. He might be an IT fundi, but his grasp of politics is pathetic! I pity ZAPU entrusting its Information and Publicity department to such. No wonder why the true ZAPU leader don't want to have anything to do with this clownish crowd!
As for STANFORD, what has Maidei said that has hurt you so badly? Did you read the post? EMOTIONS EMOTIONS EMOTIONS! Politics has no room for such emotions!
I am qualified to degree level in my field. I have an MBA from NUST. My first degree is from UZ. I graduated in 1992 when it was still a college of repute. I went to one of the best schools in Bulawayo.
That aside, who says education makes good politicians? What do you make of "Professor Jonathan Moyo"? How many study degrees, not honorary ones doe Mugabe have?
For your own information, education or lack thereof does not make a good politician. It is the human nature in the person. Look at the most brilliant and well educated politicians here in Zim, what havethey done to the country? Is DD, your erstwhile ZAPU leader that much learned?
You are very myopic in thinking!
Educated as you purpote your Zenzo to be, how come he lies blatantly about the history of ZAPU? He has a flimsy grip of the party's history. I bet you he is a born-free. He might be an IT fundi, but his grasp of politics is pathetic! I pity ZAPU entrusting its Information and Publicity department to such. No wonder why the true ZAPU leader don't want to have anything to do with this clownish crowd!
As for STANFORD, what has Maidei said that has hurt you so badly? Did you read the post? EMOTIONS EMOTIONS EMOTIONS! Politics has no room for such emotions!
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written by Stah, October 30, 2009
Look here Mr Nswabanda, ZAPU was formed in 1961, that is fact, gukurahundi attrocities were committed by ZANU led by Mugabe that is fact. The fact that when one was raped in 1982 being a child does not make it correct because they are now an adult in 2009. Maybe when you did your degrees that is how you percived things, that might as well explain your view. Your perception and reading of the entire gukurahundi issue lacks depth, proper view and understanding. You sound like someone who was somewhere in Bindura when these things happened.
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written by Nswabanda, October 30, 2009
I feel pity for you guys, o Stah and this Ugazi blah blah! Talk is cheap mfanami! Talk is very cheap! What you are dreaming of is not as easy as i Dabulap! Buza abadal be ZAPU, even u Dabengwa, bazakutshela ukuthi talk is cheap! Yenzani sibone bafana!
You can have umhluz' obabayo or whatever, mfanami uyabheda. Ngumbhedo lowo owukhulumayo. Those tribalistic sentiments will get you nowhere! There is nothing okuthiway ilizwe le Nkosi! That went with inkosi yakhona, so forget it boy! There is Zimbabwe, with demographics like 80% Shona, 14% Ndebele and others, 1% whites! So don't even fool yourself about hehehhe! Singama Ndebele hehehehe! igazi elibabayo and that sort of crap! YOUR ARE SIMPLY LIVING IN FANTSY LAND MFONDINI!
Get these facts correct: 1. Gukurahundi attrocities will never be forgiven 2. Gukurahundi issue is not an overnight issue. 3. Ramblings like you do will never be enough to bring to book the perpetrators. South African blacks saw worse attrocities at the hands of whites, but they saw reason bhlala phansi kwaba loxholo. TRuth and reconciliation was not done before independence! NO! It was after independence. Likewise, we have to fight to remove Zanu from power first before we can even think of the attrocities, otherwise what you serve to do is delaying your misery.
Bafana libancane kakhulu and alikhaliphanga! Try you luck Gazi elibabyo (Whatever it signifies)!
You can have umhluz' obabayo or whatever, mfanami uyabheda. Ngumbhedo lowo owukhulumayo. Those tribalistic sentiments will get you nowhere! There is nothing okuthiway ilizwe le Nkosi! That went with inkosi yakhona, so forget it boy! There is Zimbabwe, with demographics like 80% Shona, 14% Ndebele and others, 1% whites! So don't even fool yourself about hehehhe! Singama Ndebele hehehehe! igazi elibabayo and that sort of crap! YOUR ARE SIMPLY LIVING IN FANTSY LAND MFONDINI!
Get these facts correct: 1. Gukurahundi attrocities will never be forgiven 2. Gukurahundi issue is not an overnight issue. 3. Ramblings like you do will never be enough to bring to book the perpetrators. South African blacks saw worse attrocities at the hands of whites, but they saw reason bhlala phansi kwaba loxholo. TRuth and reconciliation was not done before independence! NO! It was after independence. Likewise, we have to fight to remove Zanu from power first before we can even think of the attrocities, otherwise what you serve to do is delaying your misery.
Bafana libancane kakhulu and alikhaliphanga! Try you luck Gazi elibabyo (Whatever it signifies)!
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written by mugabe hunter, October 30, 2009
Are MDC suppoters saying , they are against ZAPU because they are after mugabe prosecution? Shame on you.
Lets campaign for mugabe arrest the moment he steps outside zim, the warrant of must be issued now. keep it up ZAPU-UK
Lets campaign for mugabe arrest the moment he steps outside zim, the warrant of must be issued now. keep it up ZAPU-UK
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written by mlindelwa, October 30, 2009
ye ngifundile, ngilama degree okugezisa izalukazi-so what lina bo nswabanda? good wine needs no bush. if you have nothing to say just shut up uyekele thina osub-A silungise ilizwe. akusensuku zatshwala umthwakazi akhululeke laloba yiphi indlela
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written by UGaz' leNkonzi Emyama, October 30, 2009
Wena Nswabanda uduba ngokuthi you lack originality and are a coward...Number one uliShona elafundiswa isindebele and thing now you are one of us. If you believe what you say about isizwe its because you have no passion for your heritage but ofcourse you do thats why you say there is no isisze senkosi because ufuna sifane labantu bakini abangela heritage youbuQhawe...Whe is it you want to copy the south african TRC while making fun of idhabulap ...who is likely to do a Dabulap me or you...It seems to me that your brain isikuqalele yatshaya idabulap and gone and copied the TRC as a likely solution to our problems...Kanti ake ungitshele ukuthi Nxa iMDC yakho is right for you why is it that they don't have you a well educated Zimbabwean in their temporary ranks maybe its because they think you are Ndebele and why did the likes of Ncube leave...Don't peddle cowardice to our people and njalo ungasethuseli...what talk is cheap...Ngithe we will do so when wait and watch sisenza....It is time for a conscious mood and Poetry and songs have been the vain through which every struggles is consientised ...you know nothing about revolutions you as an adult have spend the majority of your life being Mugabe's wife ...adaults lisekela abantu bengcindezela isizwe ngenxa yobugwala kulokhekuthiwa siyacabanga...nonsense Oxolelwayo ngoxolisayo..we are not willing to even consider forgiving people who are not willing to apologise...It seems you trivialise my pride in my name Wena ke ohlakaniphileyo wenzani okubonakaloyo...what will be your answer when your grand Children ask ukthi Khulu why did you and all the other adults stand by and watch while our heritage and nation perished under these evil people...will you say mntanami ngangisesaba and hid behind my education and excuses...and even tried to discourage those who were brave enough to do it...Libusy lisfaka amasanctions lizibhuruzenu kuMDC lilambisa omama bethu trying to get the west to fight your battles the cowardice ngekhuluma ngayo...Last but not least never never again engage in a debate with me and claim ukuthi akula size because Ndebele is not just a language ...niether is it a tribe...its is nation and yisa isizwe...at least respect us that much we will engage you in debate...that is a polite request
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written by UGaz' leNkonzi Emyama, October 30, 2009
You are right Nswabanda...wena it is time for you ukutihi ubukele so you are right to say yenza sibone ngoba vele ulugwala...when you talk about our history dont limit your self to Dabengwa remember we are the sons and daughters of the people that stood up to Shaka and the mighty zulu nation for our freedom ...they are rolling in their graves as they watch people like you holding us back ngobugwala...Thina mfanami silobuQhawe running through our veins ...that is why even the struggle for Zimbabwe started in our region....do your match about percentages all you want...I am not talking about 80% this and 14% that mina I am talking about 100% Ndebele...and stop calling my language tribalist because I am not talking about a tribe...I am talking about a nation...there is a difference Ndebele is a nation...with tribes in it...Khalanga, tonga, Veda some tswana even Shona read your history if you like ...no such thing as Ndebele tribe that is a creation of mischievious zanu politicians and the colonialists...
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written by UGaz' leNkonzi Emyama, October 30, 2009
Plus shuwa how can my name be critised someone called Nswabanda...nansi iNgulube ing'nonela...out of interest how did you come with that name....what about you resembles iNswabanda...ukuthanda amagetsi maybe or just being generally harmless
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written by Nswabanda, October 30, 2009
Yaa, uya wumana Gazi elibabayo, kumbe ungu Madlezibabayo! There is no Ndebele Nation my dear boy! The so called nation perished with Lobengula and what remained was a rag-tag army. The sooner you realise that your rumblings are just like those of the BOERS in South Africa, who up to now still think there will be a Boer Nation, or AWB led by Terreblanche!
You are mistaken boy! So very mistaken! I think ulihole just like Ryton. Since time immemorial you guys have been promising to sort things out! You will die like that!
This is not a Highlanders/Dynamos game e BF mfana. Le yimpi yamadoda sibili and wena hatshi, go and look after amathole mfana wami!
Ndebeles will neverr be a nation, its just impossible! The nation is in your dreams!
The problem is you are in denial! The sooner you accept that you are ZIMBABWEANS the better for you! Muri vana ve Zimbabwe, munotongwa nema Shona zvakare mucharamba muchitongwa nemaShona nekuti muri mabvakure (Lingabantwana be Zimbabwe, libuswa ngamaShona, njalo lizabuswa
You are mistaken boy! So very mistaken! I think ulihole just like Ryton. Since time immemorial you guys have been promising to sort things out! You will die like that!
This is not a Highlanders/Dynamos game e BF mfana. Le yimpi yamadoda sibili and wena hatshi, go and look after amathole mfana wami!
Ndebeles will neverr be a nation, its just impossible! The nation is in your dreams!
The problem is you are in denial! The sooner you accept that you are ZIMBABWEANS the better for you! Muri vana ve Zimbabwe, munotongwa nema Shona zvakare mucharamba muchitongwa nemaShona nekuti muri mabvakure (Lingabantwana be Zimbabwe, libuswa ngamaShona, njalo lizabuswa
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written by MHLAHLANDLELA REPUBLIC, October 30, 2009
ALL ZANUPF PEOPLE MUCHAGARIRA MUDENGA SESHIRI ENDEE MUCHAZVIONA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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written by mokoena, October 30, 2009
Nswabanda: Maybe maybe not. I understand your point and the issue of intelligence and age but my concern is when is the right time to have this atrocities issue addressed? tell us since the MDC strategically left people of Mat/Land and Midlands out of structures do you think people shuld wait upon them?
Second I dont advocate for a seperate Ndebele state. The reason is that Ndebele is a nation and not a tribe as you woud like it to be. It is made up of Mzansi those who geographically come from down south. The hole 'amaholingubo' who were found in Zim and after the contact with the Portuguese already had blankets wrapped around them as a form of clothing(ukuholingubo). Abenhla the one found up north in South Africa. So as a nation today the Ndebele nation is compriesd of the Shona, Tonga, Nambya, Khalanga, Sotho, Zulu, Xhosa and some Chewa, Nyasa etc have assumed the identity. I respect you Nswabanda as an elder and I know will gain so much from you, so please dont take some of the things as an assault on your intellect. It is in these forums where we educate each other. Furthermore give us the new generation a chance to grow without prejudice and outdated morality of ethnicity and racism.
Second I dont advocate for a seperate Ndebele state. The reason is that Ndebele is a nation and not a tribe as you woud like it to be. It is made up of Mzansi those who geographically come from down south. The hole 'amaholingubo' who were found in Zim and after the contact with the Portuguese already had blankets wrapped around them as a form of clothing(ukuholingubo). Abenhla the one found up north in South Africa. So as a nation today the Ndebele nation is compriesd of the Shona, Tonga, Nambya, Khalanga, Sotho, Zulu, Xhosa and some Chewa, Nyasa etc have assumed the identity. I respect you Nswabanda as an elder and I know will gain so much from you, so please dont take some of the things as an assault on your intellect. It is in these forums where we educate each other. Furthermore give us the new generation a chance to grow without prejudice and outdated morality of ethnicity and racism.
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written by Ryton Dzimiri (the Mbire), October 30, 2009
KANTI E HARARE AKULA MAGETSI NA? INSWABANDA SEZIBALEKELA KOBULAWAYO
NSWABANDA, RYTON AND NSWABANDA ARE BOTH AMAHOLE, YOU CANT CHANGE IT. YOUR "IHOLE"
REFERENCE IS PREPARED TO DISCOURAGE ME FROM SUPPORTING GOOD OVER EVIL.
YOU WILL NEVER ACHIEVE THAT MWANA WEZHIRA. I HAVE SEEN ALL DIMENSIONS OF LIFE FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES AND HUNDREDS OF CULTURES. THIS HAS MADE ME SO MUCH MATURE THAT TRIBAL POLITICS IS FATAL.
YOUR MDC IS HALCINATING IF IN YOUR TRIBAL POLITICS YOU THINK 80% SHONAS WILL SUPPORT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SHONA. 70% OF ALL ZIMBABWEANS HAVE TRAVELLED ENOUGH TO LEARN THAT SUPPOTING AN IDIOT BECAUSE HE IS FROM YOUR CULTURE IS PRIMITIVE.
WELL TRAVELLED ZIMBABWEANS HAVE SEEN MINORITY SCOTTISH BROWN RUNNING BRITAIN BECAUSE OF HIS ABILITY NOT HIS SHONANESS.
THEY HAVE SEEN MINORITY SON OF A KENYAN GOAT HERDER BARRACK OBAMA BECOMING THE WOLDS STRONGEST MAN REGARDLESS OF HIS NDEBELE TAG AS YOU WOULD HAVE MADE IT IN ZIMBABWE.
I, DZIMIRI DO NOT CARE WHERE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT SHOULD COME FROM. BUT MY OWN INTELLIGENT AND HIGHLY CREDIBLE RESEACH POINTED TO ME THAT A MINORITY NGUNI AT THIS TIME IN ZIMBABWE IS WOULD BE THE BEST LEADER FOR MY COUNTRY.
MY LABORATORY EQUIPMENT USED TO CONCLUDE THIS IS AN OPEN FACT FREE FOR ALL TO INSPECT. NGUNI GOVERNMENTS IN SOUTHERN AFRICA ARE RESPECTED WORLDWIDE. THEY FEED NATIONS. YOUR MAJORIRTY 80% HAVE PROVEN 30 YEARS THAT THEY ARE NOT SOUTHERN BUT NORTHERN AFRICANS. THEIR EDUCATION PRODUCES REFUGEES AND DEHYDRATED FACES AS YOU WOULD MEET IN MRAMBINDA AND MAGOROGORO IN TANZANIA.
IF YOU SHOW ME ONE NOTHERNER WHO LED HIS NATION TO SUCCESS, I WOULD REVERSE MY SCIENTIFIC FINDING. I FEEL BLESSED TO HAVE THE NGUNI IN MY COUNTRY BECAUSE I KNOW OUT OF THEM, WE COULD HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS THE PEOPLE AT HEART NOT HIS FAMILY AT HEART AS IT IS IN RWANDA, MDC AND ZANU.
I WILL REPEAT TO YOU AGAIN UNTILL YOU UNDERSTAND, THE NGUNI LED ZAPU IN 1980 BOUGHT FARMS, FACTORIES AND TOWER BLOCKS FOR NATIONAL USE.
THE NORTHENER LED ZANU AT THAT TIME GRABBED BIULDINGS, FARMS, FACTORIES AND EVEN WIVES.
LOOK AT HOW MDC ARE CONFUSED, MAKE AN EXPERIMENT AND PUT A NDEBELE MAN TO MANAGE THIER CRISSIS AND CONFUSSION AND YOU WILL SEE THEM MARCH TO STATE HOUSE. ZANU HAS REMEMBERED TO AQUIRE AGAIN THE SERVICES OF AN OPPORTUNISTIC NDEBELE MAN THUS WHY THE MDC CAN NOT HOLD ANY MORE. GO BACK TO NCUBE AND APPOLOGISE, YOU WILL SEE YOURSELVES MARCHING TO POWER. MDC WAS FORMED BY NGUNIS, NOW WE "HOLE S" ARE SHOUTING DISSCODED NOISES MEANING NOTHING BUT AN AGLOMARATION OF CLUELESS FOOLS.
ZANU WAS STOLEN FROM A ZAPU NGUNI LED PROJECT WHICH HAD DIRECTION. THE NORTHEN MANURE HIJACKED A GENUINE PROJECT AND STEERED THE BEAUTIFUL PROSPEROUS COUNTRY INTO A NORTH AFRICAN STONE AGE ECONOMY.
I AM A BETTER "HOLE" BECAUSE I CAN TELL WHATS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. YOU MUST KEEP SUPPORTING TSVANGIRAI TO PULL IN AND OUT THE CONFUSED GOVERNMENT LIKE A CONDOM.
YOU ARE BUSSY ALULATING FOR TSVANGIRAI WITH YOUR TEETH COVERED BY VEGETABLE WHILE HIS KIDS ENJOY A MACDONALD IN PERTH.
MHURURU YEBENZI INONZWIKA MHIRI KWEGOMO
NSWABANDA, RYTON AND NSWABANDA ARE BOTH AMAHOLE, YOU CANT CHANGE IT. YOUR "IHOLE"
REFERENCE IS PREPARED TO DISCOURAGE ME FROM SUPPORTING GOOD OVER EVIL.
YOU WILL NEVER ACHIEVE THAT MWANA WEZHIRA. I HAVE SEEN ALL DIMENSIONS OF LIFE FROM VARIOUS COUNTRIES AND HUNDREDS OF CULTURES. THIS HAS MADE ME SO MUCH MATURE THAT TRIBAL POLITICS IS FATAL.
YOUR MDC IS HALCINATING IF IN YOUR TRIBAL POLITICS YOU THINK 80% SHONAS WILL SUPPORT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE SHONA. 70% OF ALL ZIMBABWEANS HAVE TRAVELLED ENOUGH TO LEARN THAT SUPPOTING AN IDIOT BECAUSE HE IS FROM YOUR CULTURE IS PRIMITIVE.
WELL TRAVELLED ZIMBABWEANS HAVE SEEN MINORITY SCOTTISH BROWN RUNNING BRITAIN BECAUSE OF HIS ABILITY NOT HIS SHONANESS.
THEY HAVE SEEN MINORITY SON OF A KENYAN GOAT HERDER BARRACK OBAMA BECOMING THE WOLDS STRONGEST MAN REGARDLESS OF HIS NDEBELE TAG AS YOU WOULD HAVE MADE IT IN ZIMBABWE.
I, DZIMIRI DO NOT CARE WHERE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT SHOULD COME FROM. BUT MY OWN INTELLIGENT AND HIGHLY CREDIBLE RESEACH POINTED TO ME THAT A MINORITY NGUNI AT THIS TIME IN ZIMBABWE IS WOULD BE THE BEST LEADER FOR MY COUNTRY.
MY LABORATORY EQUIPMENT USED TO CONCLUDE THIS IS AN OPEN FACT FREE FOR ALL TO INSPECT. NGUNI GOVERNMENTS IN SOUTHERN AFRICA ARE RESPECTED WORLDWIDE. THEY FEED NATIONS. YOUR MAJORIRTY 80% HAVE PROVEN 30 YEARS THAT THEY ARE NOT SOUTHERN BUT NORTHERN AFRICANS. THEIR EDUCATION PRODUCES REFUGEES AND DEHYDRATED FACES AS YOU WOULD MEET IN MRAMBINDA AND MAGOROGORO IN TANZANIA.
IF YOU SHOW ME ONE NOTHERNER WHO LED HIS NATION TO SUCCESS, I WOULD REVERSE MY SCIENTIFIC FINDING. I FEEL BLESSED TO HAVE THE NGUNI IN MY COUNTRY BECAUSE I KNOW OUT OF THEM, WE COULD HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS THE PEOPLE AT HEART NOT HIS FAMILY AT HEART AS IT IS IN RWANDA, MDC AND ZANU.
I WILL REPEAT TO YOU AGAIN UNTILL YOU UNDERSTAND, THE NGUNI LED ZAPU IN 1980 BOUGHT FARMS, FACTORIES AND TOWER BLOCKS FOR NATIONAL USE.
THE NORTHENER LED ZANU AT THAT TIME GRABBED BIULDINGS, FARMS, FACTORIES AND EVEN WIVES.
LOOK AT HOW MDC ARE CONFUSED, MAKE AN EXPERIMENT AND PUT A NDEBELE MAN TO MANAGE THIER CRISSIS AND CONFUSSION AND YOU WILL SEE THEM MARCH TO STATE HOUSE. ZANU HAS REMEMBERED TO AQUIRE AGAIN THE SERVICES OF AN OPPORTUNISTIC NDEBELE MAN THUS WHY THE MDC CAN NOT HOLD ANY MORE. GO BACK TO NCUBE AND APPOLOGISE, YOU WILL SEE YOURSELVES MARCHING TO POWER. MDC WAS FORMED BY NGUNIS, NOW WE "HOLE S" ARE SHOUTING DISSCODED NOISES MEANING NOTHING BUT AN AGLOMARATION OF CLUELESS FOOLS.
ZANU WAS STOLEN FROM A ZAPU NGUNI LED PROJECT WHICH HAD DIRECTION. THE NORTHEN MANURE HIJACKED A GENUINE PROJECT AND STEERED THE BEAUTIFUL PROSPEROUS COUNTRY INTO A NORTH AFRICAN STONE AGE ECONOMY.
I AM A BETTER "HOLE" BECAUSE I CAN TELL WHATS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. YOU MUST KEEP SUPPORTING TSVANGIRAI TO PULL IN AND OUT THE CONFUSED GOVERNMENT LIKE A CONDOM.
YOU ARE BUSSY ALULATING FOR TSVANGIRAI WITH YOUR TEETH COVERED BY VEGETABLE WHILE HIS KIDS ENJOY A MACDONALD IN PERTH.
MHURURU YEBENZI INONZWIKA MHIRI KWEGOMO
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written by mokoena, October 30, 2009
Mlindelwa.
Sorry bra, if in my statements I have insinuated any form of inflating my age. kegaufe legotswala calendar. Kusele nje iminyaka emibili ukuthi ngivale icalendar. I am just one of themany people of my age who have been moved by the silence from the older generations and am working tirelessly to help create isiZwe esasiyiRhodesia esingcono. Maybe ma ngiyivala icalendar noma 1 to 2years after ukuyivala thina labafowethu would have made esignificant contribution. What i can say what has been started there is no revesa jive.
Sorry bra, if in my statements I have insinuated any form of inflating my age. kegaufe legotswala calendar. Kusele nje iminyaka emibili ukuthi ngivale icalendar. I am just one of themany people of my age who have been moved by the silence from the older generations and am working tirelessly to help create isiZwe esasiyiRhodesia esingcono. Maybe ma ngiyivala icalendar noma 1 to 2years after ukuyivala thina labafowethu would have made esignificant contribution. What i can say what has been started there is no revesa jive.
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written by Skys, October 30, 2009
Nfana kamthwakazi kazulu Gazi elibabayo tshiyana le Sikhova seZanu pf abaphila ngegazi labanyebabo every year bayahlaba badla izibindi zabantu,like Savimbi,Dhlakama,Mabutho andAmin.this man calling himself Nswabanda he is a Mugabe (CIO) his job is to monitor all ideas from pple of zimbabwe who are chating politics in the internet,he paid for that.
Nswabanda vula amehlo ubone sekhusile kanti aboni ngani ukhuthi umfula usugelezela ngaphi vukha Mdala.
Nswabanda vula amehlo ubone sekhusile kanti aboni ngani ukhuthi umfula usugelezela ngaphi vukha Mdala.
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written by mlindelwa, October 31, 2009
Mokoena
i agree with you about no reversa jive coz i sense that our people are now determined to right the wrongs of the mugabe regime on umthwakazi whatever one's understanding of umthwakazi is. i am bold enough to predict that soon we will march to harare to remove mugabe or tswangirai-same fanana to us. nobody wil give us justice-we will have to do it our way. i am afraid that finally i agree with people who say let us divide the country and rule ourselves coz these guys dont want us in their governments full stop. there are european countries smaller than mthwakazi-so why not fight for the complete liberation of our people. of course thats not what you meant and so don't bother lecturing me about how i have misunderstood you, Mokoena. trust us, we don't normally make promises we cant keep-siyaya eHarare to free Bulawayo.
i agree with you about no reversa jive coz i sense that our people are now determined to right the wrongs of the mugabe regime on umthwakazi whatever one's understanding of umthwakazi is. i am bold enough to predict that soon we will march to harare to remove mugabe or tswangirai-same fanana to us. nobody wil give us justice-we will have to do it our way. i am afraid that finally i agree with people who say let us divide the country and rule ourselves coz these guys dont want us in their governments full stop. there are european countries smaller than mthwakazi-so why not fight for the complete liberation of our people. of course thats not what you meant and so don't bother lecturing me about how i have misunderstood you, Mokoena. trust us, we don't normally make promises we cant keep-siyaya eHarare to free Bulawayo.
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written by boby, October 31, 2009
Yah, getting a solution to Zim's problem is going to be difficult going by the posts l read.People accuse mugabe of using tribal politics but then go ahead and offer a new version of the same thing we are trying to banish from Zim politics.Tribal politics is not gonna do us much good because it makes it impossible for good leaders from minority nationalities to ascend to national offices.About Gukurahundi who ever suggests that it does not become part of the current concerns of human rights activists is not on the side of the oppressed.We will continue to have different versions of Gukurahundi if the first one is not addressed.Its not a shona or ndebele thing, its about establishing a culture of respecting human rights and human dignity.Most shonas did not think seriously about it when it was happening because l suspect they thought it was confined to the the ndebeles.Now that mugabe has crossed the line and is killing even the shonas who did not lift a finger when he was killing ndebeles , l think we have learned our lessons of nationhood, and human rights.Its clear that dictators have no tribal boundaries they just don't like being challenged.Here is a chance to address the problem holistically and let us not lose it.The UN should investigate Gukurahundi too!Its not about school certificates or about tribes either, its about humanity ,disabuse yourself of the silly elitist tendencies and just be human period.
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written by Sipho, October 31, 2009
INDLU EYEHLUKENEYO KAYIMI. KING MZILIKAZI SAW THIS AND ITS IMPERATIVE THAT THE NDEBELE NATION ENCOMPASS EVERYONE ON BOARD WHO HAVE THEIR DREAMS AND ASPIRATIONS FOR NATIONHOOD. THERE WERE SHONA CHIEFS WHO PREFERRED TO BE UNDER THE NDEBELE NATION AND LIMITING THESE IDEALS TO NARROW TRIBAL UTTERANCESIS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO THE BUILDING OF A NDEBELE NATION. MANY ZIMBABWEANS REGARDLESS OF ORIGIN DONT WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH CORRUPTION, THIEVING, CONNING AND ALL EVILS EXHIBITED BY OUR PAST LEADERS.
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written by mokoena, October 31, 2009
Mlindelwa:
I believe if we have ten people like you things will change. But one thing for sure I think today a minimum of 100 000 youths are ready. War as yet is not the solution but dialogue. But I am afraid if things dont go well with dialogue, something is inevitable and something is going to give. I think people should not forget that it was almost reaching climax in 1999. ZAPU 2000(youth) people turned out in hundreds of thousand to support the new movement. Then the MDC rose and mademany promises. ZAPU seen a s regional then decided to lay low and people joined rank with the MDC and everyone knows who made the MDC strong. MDC with its national approach was going to make it easy to unseat ZANU. But it failed in its mandate. So what has folowed is natural. And one can easily predict the future of Zimbabwe.
And this is the future:
After Mugabe everything will be rosy and peaceful. but there are conditions and if they are not met:
If one ethnic group thinks and feels superior to another there will always be..........yes you guessed it WAR.
the above is therfore the future.
i am very, very skeptical or i dont suport an independent Mthwakazi state. Not that it impossible. I need someone to convince me. eg. on what grounds are people yearning for secession that devolution of power cant do. Seriously it cannot be on language because Mat/Land and the Ndebele nation is made of many labguages. Why no aim higher and think of taking over Sozibeli which is easier in this globalising world instead of secession. I remain to be convinced though I understand the frustration. Mugabe, Sekeramayi, Shiri, Nyarota and Mnangagwa are going to the Hague. They are not Zimbabwe and they dont reresnt the views of the Shona. Can people fight and millions die because of the four people. I dont think so. Its diffrent with Gukurahundi were 50 000 +were killed(not 20 000they always tell u about). Then it was the army hunting civillians. When its civil war neighbour kills neihbour like in Rwanda. In a day 2million can die. can you imagine just because of those four people. i think a better idea should be given. In addition that misplaced conception of associating with the Zulu makes Mthwakazians fake because they become subordinate or are second grade Zulu. They cant stand on their own. If Mzilikazi escaped a despotic leader and created a natin out of many tribes then you try t bulldoze your way back its dispeakable. After all the term Mthwakazi was coined by Nyamazana a Swati woman. Yes, first work on identity and consciousness, though of course we cant wish away the relationship between the Zulu and uMthwakazi. In as much as the English cannot wish away their Dutch, German and French descent but they have constructed their own identity . Nice video ka Dube though it proves my point against the four because not all of those people come from Mthwakazi. I think they come from all over the country.
I believe if we have ten people like you things will change. But one thing for sure I think today a minimum of 100 000 youths are ready. War as yet is not the solution but dialogue. But I am afraid if things dont go well with dialogue, something is inevitable and something is going to give. I think people should not forget that it was almost reaching climax in 1999. ZAPU 2000(youth) people turned out in hundreds of thousand to support the new movement. Then the MDC rose and mademany promises. ZAPU seen a s regional then decided to lay low and people joined rank with the MDC and everyone knows who made the MDC strong. MDC with its national approach was going to make it easy to unseat ZANU. But it failed in its mandate. So what has folowed is natural. And one can easily predict the future of Zimbabwe.
And this is the future:
After Mugabe everything will be rosy and peaceful. but there are conditions and if they are not met:
If one ethnic group thinks and feels superior to another there will always be..........yes you guessed it WAR.
the above is therfore the future.
i am very, very skeptical or i dont suport an independent Mthwakazi state. Not that it impossible. I need someone to convince me. eg. on what grounds are people yearning for secession that devolution of power cant do. Seriously it cannot be on language because Mat/Land and the Ndebele nation is made of many labguages. Why no aim higher and think of taking over Sozibeli which is easier in this globalising world instead of secession. I remain to be convinced though I understand the frustration. Mugabe, Sekeramayi, Shiri, Nyarota and Mnangagwa are going to the Hague. They are not Zimbabwe and they dont reresnt the views of the Shona. Can people fight and millions die because of the four people. I dont think so. Its diffrent with Gukurahundi were 50 000 +were killed(not 20 000they always tell u about). Then it was the army hunting civillians. When its civil war neighbour kills neihbour like in Rwanda. In a day 2million can die. can you imagine just because of those four people. i think a better idea should be given. In addition that misplaced conception of associating with the Zulu makes Mthwakazians fake because they become subordinate or are second grade Zulu. They cant stand on their own. If Mzilikazi escaped a despotic leader and created a natin out of many tribes then you try t bulldoze your way back its dispeakable. After all the term Mthwakazi was coined by Nyamazana a Swati woman. Yes, first work on identity and consciousness, though of course we cant wish away the relationship between the Zulu and uMthwakazi. In as much as the English cannot wish away their Dutch, German and French descent but they have constructed their own identity . Nice video ka Dube though it proves my point against the four because not all of those people come from Mthwakazi. I think they come from all over the country.
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written by Mabona Kude, October 31, 2009
Mr Nswabanda...
I am not part of your exchange with my brother Gazi but I would like to interject and request that you consider his polite request not to air your opinion about whether the nation exists or not because ...as an observer who does not want to get involved ...amazwi akho ma usithi akusela sizwe angizwisa ubuhlungu njalo angelethela ukuzonda okukhulu...Ngicela liyeke leyo ndaba and talk about okunye
I am not part of your exchange with my brother Gazi but I would like to interject and request that you consider his polite request not to air your opinion about whether the nation exists or not because ...as an observer who does not want to get involved ...amazwi akho ma usithi akusela sizwe angizwisa ubuhlungu njalo angelethela ukuzonda okukhulu...Ngicela liyeke leyo ndaba and talk about okunye
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written by mlindelwa, October 31, 2009
only a certain group of peple prefer the status quo. some amongst us still believe in softly softly but for how long? some people are by nature corrupt-cant you see that they are enjoying. bayakholisa, bayabandlulula and continue to label everyone of our ideas and organisations tribalist. we can't do anything without being referred to as tribalist. okungasikufa yikuphi bandla?
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written by Mthwakazi ka Dube, October 31, 2009
Its pointless to appease isitha. Today they claim that the situation has improved in Mgodoyiland but our sources from Mthwakazi tell us nothing has changed since Rhodesia. They say children are attending schools but our people tell us kulokhu kufana yibo bodwa abathola indawo emakolitshi lemanyuvesi njalo baholisana bodwa ama Scholarship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oM1Vv0eWWE
Kalidatshulwe. Kumele sizubuse njengoba ekadeni besivele sizibusa. Independence madoda labomama kanti vele bona besabani nxa thina sithi kasifuni, kuyini abakwesabayo na?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oM1Vv0eWWE
Kalidatshulwe. Kumele sizubuse njengoba ekadeni besivele sizibusa. Independence madoda labomama kanti vele bona besabani nxa thina sithi kasifuni, kuyini abakwesabayo na?.
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written by tsholotsho, October 31, 2009
lack of reasoning bra Zenzo. u better use organisation like Gukurahundi victins org ekubekeni indaba yakho not a respected political party like zapu. zapu is a national party and it should distance itself from tribal discourse. This subject should come latter, lets concentrate on morden policies for now
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written by liyasjwayela matshona, November 01, 2009
sis matshona slahlwangoboya zenzo zika zenzo bathunuke mfanam
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written by Chidyausiku, November 01, 2009
To Tsholotsho
ZAPU is the first complainant of the gukurahundi. It is ZAPU supporters who were killed by people of our Shona tribe. It is unfortunate that Mugabe put we the Shona in a collision route with our fellow countrymen.
It is sad though to note that some members of the Ndebele community do not seem to undestand the gukurahundi issue. Where some of you may think that the shona speaking Zimabweans dont want this addressed, that is contrary. You must be mindful that in our regions, Mashonaland, manicaland, Mavingo there was no mention of these attrocities. Some us learnt about these things only after they were exposed by the international media. All we hard was that ZAPU supporters in Midlnds and matebeland are hiding dissidents, which was not true.
I also do not think that anyone has the monopoly to raise this griviance. It cn even be done by individuals. If ZAPU raises it there is therefore nothing wrong with it. If tsholotsho has a releative who was killed harrased, raise it with the highest possible body. Why are you waiting for some other organisation to raise your griviance. ZAPU WAS RIGHT TO RAISE THIS WITH HE UN.
ZAPU is the first complainant of the gukurahundi. It is ZAPU supporters who were killed by people of our Shona tribe. It is unfortunate that Mugabe put we the Shona in a collision route with our fellow countrymen.
It is sad though to note that some members of the Ndebele community do not seem to undestand the gukurahundi issue. Where some of you may think that the shona speaking Zimabweans dont want this addressed, that is contrary. You must be mindful that in our regions, Mashonaland, manicaland, Mavingo there was no mention of these attrocities. Some us learnt about these things only after they were exposed by the international media. All we hard was that ZAPU supporters in Midlnds and matebeland are hiding dissidents, which was not true.
I also do not think that anyone has the monopoly to raise this griviance. It cn even be done by individuals. If ZAPU raises it there is therefore nothing wrong with it. If tsholotsho has a releative who was killed harrased, raise it with the highest possible body. Why are you waiting for some other organisation to raise your griviance. ZAPU WAS RIGHT TO RAISE THIS WITH HE UN.
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written by Mabona Kude, November 01, 2009
Madoda ngicela lilalele ijaha leli esilaziyo sonke...This man speaks everything I am feeling ...uthi
"ngabe basakhela amafactory ngasihamba siyesebenza kontuthu ziyathunqa...ngabe basakhela izidlu nga siyahamba siyo gcina babadhala kontuthuziya thunqa"
Another fortune teller or has this been going on for too long kwaqala kudala ukungcindezelwa kwabantu kumbe umajaivana wakubona kudala...so if it has been going on for so long kumelelweni ukuthi into ziguqulwe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZg6tTrVRzY&feature=related
"ngabe basakhela amafactory ngasihamba siyesebenza kontuthu ziyathunqa...ngabe basakhela izidlu nga siyahamba siyo gcina babadhala kontuthuziya thunqa"
Another fortune teller or has this been going on for too long kwaqala kudala ukungcindezelwa kwabantu kumbe umajaivana wakubona kudala...so if it has been going on for so long kumelelweni ukuthi into ziguqulwe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZg6tTrVRzY&feature=related
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written by Gwaai Rivermine-papa-St Paul-Zezane-Solwezi, November 04, 2009
When all has been said and possibly done-justice and true justice will prevail.The issue of 5th Brigade is a very sensitive issue.as such it should be handled with care.Time shall come .liyophuma elingaliyo.sobohla manyosi.The reason why the same people who planned and executed the Matebele Massacre are the same people who murdered more than 400 Shona people last year i. As a way of ensuring that they dont lose power and pave way for their Gukurahundhi war crimes.2.They think the Matebele will forget the 5th Brigade attrocities as the people focus on Shona murders by their own.No. Black Jesus-Perence Shiri.Ngwena-Mnangagwa-Chiwenga,Chihuri,Zimondi,Sekeremai,Mgabe,and many more army ,police and politicians your fete is near.Chisingaperi chinoshura-okungapheli kuyahlola.We the real victims and gallant fighters of yesterday and today-know your strenghth now.know what you are capable of doing now.so we will not do like our brothers in ZAPU-UK who are naive but will wait and strike when you will not be able to revenge or displace your anger to our brothers and sisters at home NO NO NO .we will act appropiately as we are with you here at home in the army ,police ,CIO and prison services and monitoring every step you take in this desperate mode.We witness the massacre and torture of the young army boys from PONOMA Barracks.we are watching all these developments from within the army and police closely as we work with our brothers in prison services.Kill as much as you like BUT LIsten TO Me.the day of reckoning is now near and its a matter of day or so.Muchamanya-Lizigigima.Well for the UK-ZAPU its well and good saying whatever in the comfort of UK eaing buy ones and get one free and expose others to real danger in form of car accidents,trumped up charges,arrests and torture.Come home and be frontline soldiers and stop writing carelessly up there.Wozani ekhaya litshaywe lobotshe litortswe livike amapuma kumapotholes ekhaya.
Rest assured that your elders in ZAPU who bear vicious scars of Gukurahundhi know what they are doing and know when the ripe time will be.
In future if you are to write any ZAPU issue please run it through NEC and indeed ZAPU council of Elders and the legal committee of the people,s party.
Rest assured that your elders in ZAPU who bear vicious scars of Gukurahundhi know what they are doing and know when the ripe time will be.
In future if you are to write any ZAPU issue please run it through NEC and indeed ZAPU council of Elders and the legal committee of the people,s party.
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written by Maidei, November 04, 2009
Victim mentality will never get you anywere. why expect Harare to give you things on a silver plate? What have you as a ''nation'' done for yourselves. its always whinge whinge whinge. Bereft of collective progressive and pragmatic ideas to better yourselves. See how much a ndebele girl will die to have a Shona husband.
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written by Nswabanda, November 05, 2009
Mabona Kude,
The fact that you have joined on this forum means you are part of it. I still mainatin my stance. There is no Ndebele Nation. Your blood can boil a thousand times over, thats fact. The reason why the Nbebele speaking people will always remain bitter is that they do not want to accept that there is now ZIMBABWE, not this nonsense of Ndebele's wher everyone else is subject to them. That belief is fantasy mfondini! Zonda kumbe khala bu I am telling the truth.
Do you really think it makes sense, for a tribe that invaded an area, then expect everyone else to change their identity and be called Ndebele Nation? Ngumbhedo lowo! That mentality of always thinking that you still living in Lobengula times is what will always keep you marginalised. The earlier you accept that you are part of a bigger nation called Zimbabwe, the better for you!
That same mentality existed in whites in Zimbabwe. They did not accept that they were one with blacks and look at how sorry they are now! I am not condoning the way they were dispossesed with the farms but I am talking fact. Look at the white South Africans, they have accepted that they are part of a rainbow nation and the country is progressing well. The die hards like the AWB boers live a life of illusion!
The fact that you have joined on this forum means you are part of it. I still mainatin my stance. There is no Ndebele Nation. Your blood can boil a thousand times over, thats fact. The reason why the Nbebele speaking people will always remain bitter is that they do not want to accept that there is now ZIMBABWE, not this nonsense of Ndebele's wher everyone else is subject to them. That belief is fantasy mfondini! Zonda kumbe khala bu I am telling the truth.
Do you really think it makes sense, for a tribe that invaded an area, then expect everyone else to change their identity and be called Ndebele Nation? Ngumbhedo lowo! That mentality of always thinking that you still living in Lobengula times is what will always keep you marginalised. The earlier you accept that you are part of a bigger nation called Zimbabwe, the better for you!
That same mentality existed in whites in Zimbabwe. They did not accept that they were one with blacks and look at how sorry they are now! I am not condoning the way they were dispossesed with the farms but I am talking fact. Look at the white South Africans, they have accepted that they are part of a rainbow nation and the country is progressing well. The die hards like the AWB boers live a life of illusion!
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written by Nswabanda, November 05, 2009
Mabona kude!
Ngubani om'cela ukuthi akwakhele ama factory lezindlu? Ngubani kambe? Ngubani ozoguqula izinto? MDC tried very har to do that and look what happens, omafikizolo now come and start blaming it for everything leaving Zanu to carry on as if nothing happened!
Ngubani om'cela ukuthi akwakhele ama factory lezindlu? Ngubani kambe? Ngubani ozoguqula izinto? MDC tried very har to do that and look what happens, omafikizolo now come and start blaming it for everything leaving Zanu to carry on as if nothing happened!
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written by The Licencee, November 11, 2009
People should wait and see at some point justice is goner be served. In the mean time any investigations related to the issue in question will go noway they will succumb to mere dirt in the storrage rooms due to the fact that the perpetrators are still themselves in power. What lay people should be told; is there will come a time when its all goner be possible to bring those in question into answering our questions, no mercy Death Sentence is still in practice our home country, the gallows are the answer, neverthless included with compansation to the victims and the serviving realatives of those who met their untimely deaths ruthless, that on its won will never bring closure to the families.
Tribalism in Zimbabwe is likely to continue for generations to come. The people who were behind this e.g the English turned a blind eye to the matter, gave Zimbabwe a gift in form of a Boeing 747 the plane that still runs to Gatewick to this veryday, showered mugabe with degress and good living, top jobs for his enforcers the like of Perence Shiri who is still the Commanding officer of our Air Force. Note:- The English have now came to acknowledge the attrocities and even licked the documents, the whole world knows about what really took place. This is the time for us to start compiling evidence outside country , so as when the gates open the issue will be dealt with as soon as possible. I noticed that some people believe its wrong to address the issue now, no its not, as gathering of eveidence may take years to compile.
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Tribalism in Zimbabwe is likely to continue for generations to come. The people who were behind this e.g the English turned a blind eye to the matter, gave Zimbabwe a gift in form of a Boeing 747 the plane that still runs to Gatewick to this veryday, showered mugabe with degress and good living, top jobs for his enforcers the like of Perence Shiri who is still the Commanding officer of our Air Force. Note:- The English have now came to acknowledge the attrocities and even licked the documents, the whole world knows about what really took place. This is the time for us to start compiling evidence outside country , so as when the gates open the issue will be dealt with as soon as possible. I noticed that some people believe its wrong to address the issue now, no its not, as gathering of eveidence may take years to compile.
Ingqwetha
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How on earth would you think ZANU would agree to the "Investigation" at this point in time? Thats why this issue will forever be ignored because you people who purpote to know better always choose the most inopportune of moments to muddle the waters. The reason why Nowack was turned back is specifically your meddling! Now what has that achieved? ZERO! Has it served to appease the Gukurahundi victims? Has it brought the desired relief?
I, at times doubt the sincereity of people like you in this mess we are in! Learn to be tactiful and strategic about issues. You cannot expect a thousand issue to be solved in a day! Right now, by your publicising this letter and blowing trumpets about it you have made the enemy change heart! Don't you think without your meedling the current leaders would not have brought it up?
I doubt your grasp of sensibility and reasoning! IF THAT IS ZAPU'S STRATEGY, then I do not think you deserve any ear from the suffering masses. I would rather you all be deported back home and face the real battle and not shout from the terraces! You are pretty useless and at this rate, the Gukurahundi issue will just die another natural death! In any case an attrocity is an attrocity whether committed by Zanu, Shonas and Ndebeles!